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Who Chose the Books of the Bible? Are the Books “Self-authenticating”?
Are the Books of the New Testament “Self-Authenticating” or was the Catholic Church Necessary to Define the Canon of Scripture?
By Steve Ray
Hello Protestant Friend:
I was very happy to receive your twenty-five-page letter which claimed that sola Scriptura (Bible alone) and sola fide (faith alone) were the faith and teaching of the Apostles. I found your reasoning very weak (sorry to say) and since I once believed these false doctrines myself I thought I ought to respond to your misconceptions. I have no animosity toward you for your views; in fact; I love you for taking the time to express your theology and I love you for your sincere faith in our Lord Jesus. Having once held these views myself, I know that they can be held in good faith and I assume that is the case with you.
Since this letter became longer than I originally expected, I decided to add an outline to help you understand the flow of my discussion. So, here it goes.
- Our Recent Discussions
- Intro: Self-authentication of Biblical Documents
- Federal Rules for Self-authenticating Documents
- Correct Criterion vs. Circular Reasoning
- The Early Church and the New Testament Documents
- The Reformation and the Canon
- A Fallible Collection of Infallible Books
- Your Letter: Especially on Inspiration, Scripture, and sola Scriptura
- 2 Timothy 3:15, 16: A Basis for the Canon of the New Testament?
- Old Testament or New Testament
- Anarthrous Construction and Warfield
- Correct Translation of the Greek Text
- Universal Negative: Nothing else is Inspired or Infallible
- 2 Peter 3:16: Substantive Proof of the New Testament Canon?
- 1 Timothy 5:18 & Luke 10:7: Substantive Proof of the New Testament Canon?
- Summary using Norman Geisler’s Syllogism
- Catholic Teaching in a Nutshell
- 2 Timothy 3:15, 16: A Basis for the Canon of the New Testament?
- Miscellaneous Comments from Your Letter
- Augustine, Calvin, and the Councils
- The Noble-minded Bereans and Sola Scriptura
- Is the Catholic Church “Co-equal” with the Sacred Writings
- Can Catholics Interpret the Bible?
- Sign-off and Finger-resting
- Our Recent Discussions
- Intro: Self-authentication of the Biblical Documents
Anyway, to get serious, when we talked about the authentication of the sacred books contained in our Bible, you mentioned legal precedent for documents that were “self-authenticating.” In other words, as I understood it, there was no need for anyone (including individuals, authorities, councils, apostolic successors, etc.) to make such a determination as to which books were infallible, inspired, and canonical, since they were self-authenticating and could be discovered, but not determined. This is Norman Geisler’s view as well (Endnote 1) Whew! I hope that mouthful made sense.
You also said that the reason it took so long to discover the collected canon was due to the condition of man. If you don’t mind, and in the spirit of friendship and combativeness we have always had together and thoroughly enjoyed I will continue our tradition and take another salvo in this letter. I don’t have any Norman blood, but I do have French [passion], and German [precision and belligerence], and Irish [feisty], and English [verbose] blood in me. So, don’t blame me, blame it on my genes.
- Federal Rules for Self-authenticating Documents
I am of the opinion that the sacred writings were not, and are not self-authenticating. I don’t mean they are devoid of divine authorship, nor that they are without the divine imprint. I only mean that internal and external evidence alone is not enough to clearly and definitively establish them as inspired, authoritative, and infallible. Since you mentioned it, I looked up the legal guidelines on the matter of self-authentication in the Federal Rules (U.S. Code Title 18 Crimes and Criminal Procedure, Federal Rules no. 902) (Endnote 2). This is the section, as you well know, of Self-Authentication. The reason I looked this up is simple: you stopped me in my tracks when you mentioned this, not because I questioned the validity of my objection to self-authentication, but because I was not knowledgeable about the evidentiary rules.
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Boat-ride on Galilee, Mass at Capernaum, Peter’s Fish, Visitation & Jerusalem
The boat ride on the sea of Galilee is always a highlight of the trip for folks. Seeing the shoreline as Jesus and the disciples did is a thrill. I give my talk about the time I spent fishing all night with two Jewish fishermen. Then we saw the ancient 2000 year old “Jesus boat“ and then arrived at Capernaum.
75% or more of all Jesus‘s miracles mention in the Bible took place at Capernaum. It’s also where he said “eat my flesh and drink my blood.“ I gave my talk there called “Defending the Eucharist“ before we had Mass. Then to Pilgerhaus to eat Saint Peter’s Fish.
Following lunch, we headed south to Jerusalem. I gave our a conversion story on the bus along the way before arriving at the Visitation where Mary visited her relative Elizabeth. There I give my talk on Mary as the Ark the New Covenant. From there we arrived at our hotel in Jerusalem.
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