The Beauty of NOT having a Magisterium…

by Steve Ray on April 8, 2009

… is that you don’t have to have any solid positions, morals, or theology. You can waffle and change your mind. God has no opinion (obviously, or so think many) so you don’t have to worry about what He might think.

Rick Warren is such a pastor and has now disavowed his opposition to the homosexual agenda and his support for Proposition 8.

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Update from Christianity Today (Evangelical Flagship Magazine

As one guy wrote: But he didn’t endorse Prop 8 in the first place.  Oh, wait — yes he did.  Oh, wait — he was misquoted.  Hey, kudos to Pastor Warren for standing up and forcefully disavowing his non-endorsement.  I look forward to the YouTube video him Windexing the TeleprompTer before President AboveMyPayGrade speaks at Notre Dame.

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Janet April 8, 2009 at 2:55 PM

He is starting to sound like a politician. What are his church members supposed to think with all this back peddling going on? So Sad…

Suzanne Calvano April 8, 2009 at 4:05 PM

This is absolutely unbelievable. I don’t know what is going to happen to this country if people like Pastor Warren decide to start changing their minds on the critical moral issues of our time. This is very troubling. We need to be willing to stand up for our beliefs even if it means we lose friendships. We should care more about living our convictions than being liked. We are truly living in scary times when our Christian values are going to be challenged and marginalized at every turn. We really need to pray harder!! Thank God we have the Pope and the Church!!

Mike Sanders April 8, 2009 at 5:21 PM

I thought about it earlier and Pastor Warren needs to really look at the life of Christ. Christ was beaten and ridiculed for his stand and on the way to calvary fell several times. By his example he shows us that bearing our crosses in life won’t always be easy. I think it is the same with Pastor Warren he has been heavely ridiculed because of the stand he took and he has fallen so to speak(given into the pressure). Let’s pray that he will once again take up his cross.

Vince C April 8, 2009 at 8:08 PM

Another man of God loses his first love for Christ and becomes a politically correct celebrity. I hope he enjoys his newfound celebrity status and can find a new career being pastor to the Hollywierd flakes since I predict the pews in his church will become more and more noticably empty. Having said that, he does need our prayers.

Paul Primavera April 8, 2009 at 9:49 PM

The problem I think is that Pastor Warren doesn’t want to seem unloving and unkind to people in the gay community. But actually, it is unloving and unkind to confirm them in their sin. Yes, God does love everyone of us without exception, gay or straight. BUT God still expects us to behave like human beings: no sexual intercourse outside of the state of Holy Matrimony between one woman and one man. Straight people have no right to engage in sexual intercourse outside of such a state. Nor does a gay person.

Now perhaps one cannot help one’s sexual disposition or preference, but one can help one’s behavior. God gave me a brain and He expect me to use it. I’m not supposed to be a wild animal given to the passions of the moment.

Of course some gays say that it’s not fair that they have a sexual predisposition towards gayness and they’re not allowed by Church rules to have sex. Well, first of all, those are God’s rules, and secondly, they apply to every straight person who’s not married, too.

Yes, we must and do love gays and straights equally – the old saying that there is neither Jew nor Gentile in God’s eyes comes to mind. But neither group of people have any right to engage to sexual activity outside of marriage between a man and a woman. Period.

Pastor Warren has done the gay community a grave disservice because his actions serve to confirm them in the sin of sodomy. Sodomy is NOT a right. It is a perversion. Just as an alcoholic cannot partake of alcohol, so also can the gay person not partake of sodomy.

Thank God for a Pope and the Magisterium. Truth is NOT relative and does not change over time.

Ben Douglass April 10, 2009 at 3:00 AM

One would think that, even without a Magisterium, simply based on his own rule of faith of Sola Scriptura, Mr. Warren would be able to toe the line against sodomite marriage. I can understand why Protestants operating under Sola Scriptura are usually unable to come to the complete truth about divorce and contraception. But, as Warren himself said previously, if you believe the Bible’s definition of marriage, you must necessarily oppose sodomite marriage.

Mrs. Tim Hall April 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM

I don’t think Rick Warren is a “Sola Scriptura” Christian, even if he would say he is. He is a “greasy grace” evangelical. It has surprised me to see the following this guy has, even among Catholics. But then, his is an easy road. “Forty Days to Purpose.” Is that all?

Barbara Edsall May 16, 2009 at 11:19 AM

Rick Warren is the type of “Christian leader” that drove me to the Catholic Church after 27 years as a Protestant. There are others; I won’t name them here. The point is that without proper Church authority, every man is a law unto himself, and this is the result.

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